This week on Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, Kiernan talks to Jon Staff, the cofounder of travel startup Getaway, which strives to get people to disconnect from technology and unwind in the woods. You’ll learn why Getaway goes out of its way to place its tiny cabins in places that Jon describes as “no place special.” Also, Ryan sings the praises of radioactive tourism.

Things we talked about in today’s podcast: