On this episode of “Out Of Office: A Travel Podcast,” Kiernan digs in on regional Italian cuisine with one of the show’s most interesting guests ever: opera and Italian cuisine expert Fred Plotkin. Fred talks us through some of the most popular and most obscure foods of Italy, sharing history and wonderful anecdotes all along the way. Part 2 of 3!

Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

“Italy for Food Lovers”


Fred Plotkin biography


The Atlantic’s “Crying Myself to Sleep on the Biggest Cruise Ship Ever” by Gary Shteyngart


CNN’s Grandmother and Son Are on the Move