On this episode of “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast,” Kiernan and journalist Lauren Sloss talk through the ups and many downs of Recreation.gov, the one-stop shop for getting confused on booking anything at National Parks and other federal public lands. Plus, Ryan and Kiernan close out summer talking about serf wear (yep, that spelling is correct.)

Things we talked about in today’s podcast:

The Guardian’s Notre Dame restoration article:

Lauren’s NYT article “National Park Booking App Leaves Users Feeling Lost in the Woods”:



CNBC’s “Happiest Travel Destinations’