On this week’s episode of Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, Ryan and Kiernan talk about why travel this summer is going to be particularly challenging and the best strategies for optimizing your Covid “revenge travel.” 

Things we talked about in today’s podcast:

Past Episodes:


Trip Planning 101

State Parks with NYT’s Peter Kujawinski 

Unexploded Bombs as Souvenir


New Yorker’s “Transforming Trees into Skyscrapers”