On this week’s episode of Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, Kiernan offers some hard-won tips on how to increase your chances of seeing wildlife when traveling to wild places—and how to mitigate your disappointment if you don’t get to spot that elusive bear, moose, or gorilla. Be forewarned: somehow it boils down to taking an interest in poop.

Things we talked about in today’s podcast:

Sample National Park Wildlife List


Illinois Woman Charged in Yellowstone


“The Rescue” Documentary


Wilderness Press “Walking” Series